12 October 2012

misogyny and antisemitism re: assange @m_cetera



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From: M Cetera
Date: Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Quick Greeting
To: mary rose lenore eng


It's difficult to see supporters fighting amongst each other, and also see so-called support which may in fact be damaging. But I am not one to say what kind of "support" is the right kind. I do what I believe is helpful to WikiLeaks, but I am not an expert on what kind of support they need.

Thus, I do not criticize other supporters. Maybe they need it, but I don't think I am the person to do it. I try to stay out of conflict and focus on my tweeting and blogging and whatnot.

I am very upset to hear about the attacks on Joseph. Especially because they seemed so fond of him before, and he has been kind the them in return. I don't know what caused this shift. I also don't know why they would think attacking one staff member would gain them favor with the others.

There are some supporters who find more importance in developing a bond with WikiLeaks' staff as more important than assisting them in other ways. I guess this is more of the groupie mentality. I am not immune to these thoughts, but when I have them, I remind myself to focus on what is truly important: the information WikiLeaks releases, keeping WikiLeaks financially and otherwise stable, and the safety of WikiLeaks staff.

I don't know if you are aware of this, but I was serving in the US Air Force during the time I attended JA's hearings, debates, discussions (with the exception of the Supreme Court hearing as I was discharged in August). Many people find this interesting, and I've received some very kind comments, appreciating the risk I took to support WikiLeaks while serving in the military (I think it was Debra who offered this view; she is the woman with dark curly hair who I was spending time with at the Supreme Court hearing, as I recall). But I'm sure some see it as cause for speculation. For me, it has given me interesting insight.

I am sorry to hear about your struggles. If you ever get to the point where you need money, please ask me. I saved a good amount while I was in the military, and my mentality is, "Why should money sit in a bank account when it could be much more useful to someone else?" I know we are supposed to be boycotting PayPal (I have closed my account, and only use my father's when there is no other option), but that may be the only way I could transfer money to you. Please don't hesitate to ask.

I remember Goran Rudling's testimony at Belmarsh. He also did a series of video interviews for WL Central. I believe he is a good resource, so it is good you are in touch with him.

Which is one thing I wanted to comment about you; I admire your confidence. You are never afraid to speak up, speak your mind, and speak to others. This is a good quality. I tend to be shy, which may have caused lost opportunities in the past. I believe this is due to insecurities I hold, but since it is something I have realized, it is something I can work on improving.

Once the entire thing with Sweden is over, I think WikiLeaks will be a lot better off. It has obviously caused more problems than anything, including the attempted destruction of JA's character. Yes, there is still the grand jury, yes, there is still the financial blockade... but this is something that has caused a major break in WikiLeaks supporters. "I support WikiLeaks, but not JA." I see that a lot, and hope it can be remedied.

I am not on Skype and prefer to use Pidgin/OTR and Jabber for any instant message communications. If you download those, you can contact me at mcetera@jabber.org.

Take Care,
M




On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:33 AM, mary rose lenore eng wrote:
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> yeah.
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> well for one thing i see how hard your working---and i really really appreciate it.
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> i was really bothered by bronwyn macconville @storysearcher and monika who runs @justice4assange
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> they begged me to come to their psychic.  i was staying with bron so i felt socially obligated.
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> they wanted me to run by my research from sweden 2011.  this was 16 november.
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> then on 3 december they show me this document they left at frontline club for JA, KH and sarah harrison.
> in it they slam joseph farrell, they refer as a glossary to all wikileaks and especially sweden related people and beside each name they had---jewish, lots of money or possibly jewish.
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> like totally anti-semitic.
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> no other ethnic obsession besides jewish money.
> and then they call the women in sweden "hookers"
> bronwyn had previously used word "C*nt" about them.
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> it was really low class.
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> the problem for me was that they wrote on the document that i attended this meeting. via the initials m m and b
> which would be clear bc we also atttended spyfiles press con as a group mary monika and bronwyn as "justice for assange"
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> they also had this delusional stuff about how monika and bron were all going to be at norfolk mansion.
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> so it was about ego and jealousy and trying to impress people.
> i demanded an apology be sent to the people and a retraction and an explanation that i had nothing to do with the sexist antisemitic document.
> i had actually worked very hard to crack the antisemitic scandal with david leigh.
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> so it was really annoying that they would create more trouble for no good reason, other than they thought they could impress assange with their antisemitism and sexism to the girls.
> so then bron borrowed some money from me she wont pay back.
> they refused to admit the problem and demanded i not blog about it.
> censorship?
> they explained this is all about the psychic.
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>
> so i was pretty tuned out that day----reading swedish criminal law blogs---but realize all this negative content would be the focus of this stupid, but elaborate antisemitic sexist memo---it was maybe 6 pages of many characters in the case or scene.
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> i went to protect my couchsurfing housing harmony with bron.  purely.
> i was not into the psychic thing.
> but i was really annoyed they put it in writing.
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>
> so i also realized as we were in the cafe in manchester with this psychic charlatan dude who bron paid 100 pounds, that they were talking a lot of stuff about you.
> normally if this is the case about me, i dont even want to know bc it hurts my feelings.
> i think its classic stuff about they are jealous about how pretty you are and---they are sexist---they think all woman are trying to get JA in bed---which to me is lame---bc a lot of us are serious journalists, writers, legal  scholars.
> so it was very trivializing.
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>
> then at supreme court they gave me such a cruel cold shoulder.  due to my excellent hearing i could hear them whispering she she she---until im looking over at them like stop trash talking other women.
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> i saw assange kiss you on the cheek which so sweet.
> my best friend from australia kisses everyone on the cheek---and i think this whole repressive situation has really cramped his personality.
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> i took it really as a sign that he trusts you.
> i am sometimes vicious with him about how i disagree with his legal strategy or his PR strategy.
> but to me that is a sign of true friendship.
>
>
> there is also this other drama about rixstep threatening to sue al burke, who is working on a better translation and timeline.
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> i know this now bc i flew to sweden 12 february to start meeting with goran rudling of samtycke.nu.
> he was an expert witness february 2011.
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> he knows a lot and has a lot planned.
> like he's the only one who contacted the DNA testing at the only condom lab in sweden---yet the english courts refused to discuss the lack of forensic evidence.
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> so also
> rixstep thinks he is satan.
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> he is a little blind about USA torture.
> i am sending my notes to sweden versus assange.
> there is no reason why anyone should trust me---because my highest loyalties are where they are.
> but for whatever reason---he's giving me loads of info.
> some of it is here
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/82022372/Rixstep
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> http://www.scribd.com/doc/82861850/sweden-case-101
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> where i think is major gain is Goran Rudling has the dirt on Mark Stephens.
> if julian has the time to fight the FSI fee disputation Goran may help.
> his blog is samtycke.nu
> we met yesterday also al burke of nnn.se  they are in a bit of a squabble---i am now working with al to show him how we can get goran's expertise on swedish crim law and the mismanagement of the FSI case to help julian fight the 500k legal fee dispute.
> mark stephens for instance breached confidentiality by submitting private letters to rixstep (a guy called rick downes) that turned into an attack piece on goran from rixstep.
> also mark stephens tried to get goran to sign fictional prewritten witness statements (as brita sundberg's stmt was obviously written in england)
>
> so i dont know if anything is coming of this research but it seemed to be a way i can help.
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> as for the management of SVA
> they both think marcello ferrada de noli is foolish as is rixstep
> and that they are damaging assange's PR image.
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> as for bron and monika jorgensen---i think the main point is i dont like how vicious these wikileaks supporters are---and how mean.
> many of them have been mean to me or tried to make me censor braingarbage.
> debra sheehan for instance who writes the letters to the MPs on extradition.
> i wish i had more time to talk to you.
> i can skype at maryeng1
> i dont know how long i am in sweden----maybe till i run out of money???
> then i might go to oregon---but i felt like things might get really interesting and they sure did last night.
> if julian is taken here though---i feel like its good fo him to have support here trying to really understand the media climate.
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> the journalist he just dissed from expressen at the press conference---had a prewritten article on his laptop going in to day one of july 12 hearing.  i whispered it over his shoulder in swedish and freaked him out. he then hid it from me.
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> marcello also tried to get me to censor braingarbage.
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> i've been studying scandinavian legal protections for women long before i was into wikileaks---and its really sad to me how many women are abused, underpaid, raped and beaten in sweden, how the law protects it, and then idiots like marcello and rixstep rant about the feminist conspiracy when there are lots of women being human trafficked here according to wikileaks cables.
> so---they really make up their own fantasy world
>
> no matter how many times i have sent this to jennifer or SVA
> i dont think they want a good source---but merely sleazy tabloid junk like rixstep.
> http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/rape-victims-worldwide-denied-justice-and-dignity-2010-03-08
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> i have no idea if anyone will ever get through to them----the idea is to get assange to safety and to protect and increase respect for women t in the world.
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> so if there is a feminist conspiracy im it, and i really care about protecting both women and unjustly accused.
> also
> hot freaks on twitter to watch completely bullying me
> are
> george42
> cthie
> treisiroon
> marqoftheshire
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> also i dont know how we can get through to assange not to use desperate tactics like cursing or calling sweden kindergarten or gillard a powermad robot.
> or using 'fuck" in a tweet
> i think it will alienate people.
> i dont think he can control it----but i wish someone would.
> i think the GI will put the focus back on substance.
>
>
> anyway i wouldt worry too much about the harsh talking---but be aware.
> i realized the upside of it---is that i basically infiltrated them---found out how far the elevator goes---and am now preventing WL from trusting too much this kind of loyalist.
> true they are at every single event.
> but the lack of professionalism and nastiness is disturbing and i dont want it to damage wikileaks.
> also monika is very young and i think bron is corrupting her with harsh words and attitudes bc monika is otherwise very brilliant about law.
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>
> sorry to bother you---but a part of me wants to protect you too---and it just makes me sad we as a group can't work together more---it must be human nature.
>
> oh my gosh and my portland film-maker friend freaked me out too---by getting really romantically obsessional on me---and threatening to "hex" my computers.
> i left immediately.
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> we were stoked that his films were linked to by wikileaks---but i very clearly did not feel safe around him---so it was like risky weird stuff just to get media accomplished.
> also the lawyer i stayed with in england started coming on to me:::: and it was like----if julian only knew how many creepy wikileaks dudes including marcello---have flirted with me---and i have dealt with it just to get to the next court event or whatever.
> its creepy.
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> i was stuck in london with hardly any money trying to survive till supreme court----and the lawyer offered me a place to stay---and the videographer was ofering financial suppport.
> some weird stuff---
> i need food or tea or something.
>
> be well and keep doing amazing work and stay positive!!
>
> if you ever want to do something collaborative---or if my research could help---i am up for anything.
> also having a positive wikileaks tie would be nice.
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> sweden versus assange has written me off and on.
> and joseph is always very kind to me.
> i was very appallled that bron and monika were attacking him, because i can see clearly how incredibly important he is.
> i wanted to defend him as well.
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> i think JA is good at keeping his distance whilst accepting support---so that's good.
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> be happy and enjoy the global intelligence stratfor!!
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> here any time
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> sweden rules too (very clean air and clean water)
>
> maryeng1 skype
> mary
>
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> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:29 PM, M Cetera wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I was reading your blog today (which I do periodically, but unfortunately do not have the time to read it all) and I noticed the extraordinarily nice comments you made about me. I wanted to thank you for those. They really warmed my heart.
>>
>> It is unfortunate that people are making poor comments about me, but not entirely unexpected. Though I am guilty at times of making poor comments about other people, too.
>>
>> You said you wished to speak with me over email, so of course you are welcome to email me as you please.
>>
>> Best,
>> M Cetera

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